Device: SkyTC - KMP510 (Envivo Otek Xenta Arnova) Forum:   Device: SkyTC - KMP510 (Envivo Otek Xenta Arnova)

Topic: Crossed LL

A new radio station request came in for "Musiquera 93.3 FM".
Two records for the same station already existed containing invalid data (removed now).
The new station record is another example now for 'crossed LL' functionality with an actual and functional streaming URL.

Receiving "Musiquera 93.3 FM" is possible only with 'crossed LL' status using my XORO receiver device.


(Last Edited by Nobi on September 23, 2024, 9:28 am)


pQuote:
Hi William, I'm sorry to tell you, but:
if https://stream-174.zeno.fm/lxud6vpiylutv would work, I would have used it. But of course that doesn't work either.
And httpS: stream URLs never worked with my XoroHmt350.
Hello folks. Just wanted to report briefly...
At the moment I am still using my very old ODYS Music Box and I am actually listening to the “Sunshine Live" ‘House’ stream.
I always enjoy listening to my favorite music stations with this old device every day.
Thank you Penbex & Nobi for making this possible!
Please keep things going!
Thank you so much for making this possible.
Kind regards...

Outrun.

The radio station "WWVA" (added today - thanks to Anthony) is another example for the crossed LL effect on my XORO machine.

receiving standard:
  

crossed LL:
  

Hi William, I'm sorry to tell you, but:
if https://stream-174.zeno.fm/lxud6vpiylutv would work, I would have used it. But of course that doesn't work either.
And httpS: stream URLs never worked with my XoroHmt350.

It seems the final url contains credentials which is probably causing the issues..
You could try with "https://stream-174.zeno.fm/lxud6vpiylutv"

I might be able to fix this in the firmware. I will take a closer look..



A new radio station was sent to us yesterday.
Halaal Radio also does not work finally with the stream URL used at startup.
After the first connection from the radio receiver to the supplier, a new stream URL is exchanged, which the radio stream delivers then.

 - Start:
      http://stream.zeno.fm/lxud6vpiylutv
 - Communication for Final Stream URL
 - Takeover and operation via (i.e.):
      http://stream-174.zeno.fm/lxud6vpiylutv?zt=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdHJlYW0... etc.

Halaal Radio also doesn't work with my radio device.

To this day I don't know whether other ListenLive firmware-operated radio devices can handle these radio stations. 
My XoroHmt350 can't do it.

(Last Edited by Nobi on June 3, 2024, 8:59 am)

I never suspected the mp3 player itself.

The phenomenon affects radio stations that begin communication after being called up with our stream URL from our station data set. 
The final URL for the company is usually determined in each case.

Here as an example 'Sanandina Digital Stereo 107.0'
 - call via:
      http://stream.zeno.fm/8ras0p5v398uv
 - Communication for final stream URL
 - Takeover and operation via:
      http://stream-173.zeno.fm/8ras0p5v398uv?zt=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzd... etc.

I don't know of any malfunctions at radio stations that use directly the call URL for their operation.

Even 'Hirschmilch Radio Chillout' is affected because data is exchanged after it is called up. 
I don't know the reason for this.
 - Call via:
      http://hirschmilch.de:7000/chillout.mp3
 - Communication (with my PC using VLC media player):
      http://www.winamp.com
      http://hirschmilch.de
 - Operation via:
      http://hirschmilch.de:7000/chillout.mp3

To this day I still don't know whether other radio device types besides my XORO HMT350 are also affected by the 'crossed LL' malfunction.

What the firmware does is: 
1- connect wifi to your home network
  => result is visible on the top bar most right hand icon indicating the wifi signal strength)
 Note that a working wifi connection does not mean there is a working internet connection!

2- try to reach the listenlive (LL) database (which is one and the same server as the website and this forum)
  => result is visible on the top bar as the LL icon betwee nthe clock and the wifi icon
  not being able to reach the server within a timeout period results in the "crossed ll" as you call it
 It makes this connection to see if the internet can be reached (and of course to load the most recent data files containing station links)

The ability to reach the LL database or not does/should not influence the mp3 player behaviour.
The system performs multiple tasks simultaniously, the above two tasks are done one after the other in this exact order.
I am checking if there is anything else going on perhaps there is something in the background or so.
So far it does not look like it.

What is also possible is that the mp3 player makes some strange jump if it fails, similar to the LL test, to connect to a specific location.
The mp3 player is in fact a modified (by chip manufacturer Ingenic) version of mplayer. 
As far as I am aware the only thing modified is that some of the mpeg handling is done by Ingenic hardware. 

In short it means that this is a very complex case to figure out.


Today we added the radio station 'Sanandina Digital Stereo' to our database.

The audio stream of this station behaves similarly to the stream of 'Rádio Fair Play São Tomé e Príncipe' (refer post below from April 16, 2024, 10:05 pm).
And we have the next station now, which doesn't work on my receiver (XORO HTM350).

Only if I prevent confirmation of the database comparison (crossed LL) can I hear 'Sanandina Digital Stereo' properly.


I do not have a solution for this.     

'Rádio Fair Play São Tomé e Príncipe' was posted by a user for approval. The station works with secure protocol.

To this day I don't know whether there are device types that process secure streams without errors using LL firmware.

This actually doesn't work with my XORO HTM350.
And what I have already reported here in the past also applies to 'Rádio Fair Play São Tomé e Príncipe':
If I force the crossed LL (crossed status indicator of the ListenLive server) on my receiver, this station also works without errors.


I don't have a solution for this.

 
 

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